· The First Age Think Tank, MS/IRS style! Options

[JEV3]

Actually, its always been the plan to make the Noldor-based faction from RoB to function almost as if every unit was a hero. While costly, a normal Noldorin unit should be able to shred quite a few beasts before going down.

Also, I actually think we shouldn't go overboard on the heroes themselves. Many should be campaign only, and some should be skirmish only (I'm looking at you, Feanor, Fingolfin!). Most of the heroes we focus on will be those that would have lived to see the Battle of Unnumbered Tears.

[MasterSilver]

Hey JEV3 and Ring of Fate that makes sense. I was trying to figure out why you would be able to get mini-faction units from the core faction it didn't make sense to me lol. I was talking about being able to choose one of your mini factions after you have purchased it and getting your fortress to convert to that type of mini faction fortress. Since Morgoth did not fight in the battle of unnumbered tears I suppose he will not be in the skirmish mode right? And if he is not in there we really don't need Finglofin in there to balance him do we lol.

[MasterSilver]

gasp, a double post lol. Here is a link to the first age archived section for those
interested, especially newer members.

http://www.warsofarda.co.uk/forums/index.php?showforum=11

Cheers
MS

[Amroth]

If I were you I would just split Himring to Mithrim and Himring.

Mithrim: Dór-Lomin, Nargothrond, Gondolin, Minas Tirith/Dorthonion
(Fingolfin, Fingon, Argon {with the greatest leadership}/ Hurin, Huor/ Finrod, Gwindor/ Turgon, Tuor, Glorfindel, Echtelion/ Orodreth, Angord, Aegnor, Barahir)
Union of Maedhros (Himring): Amon Ereb, Himlad, Belegost, Thargelion
(Fëanor, Maedhros, Maglor, Bór + Sons/Amras, Amrod/ Curuifn, Celegorm, Celebrimbor/Azaghal/Caranthir)

Belegost becomes a mini-factions and Mouths of Sirion a Inn-Faction.

[ithilienranger732]

Let's get the wheels of this conceptual machine greased and rolling again! I think we should continue discussing possible faction divisions...

EDIT: Pinned because it's really the main discussion thread at this point. Or should be. I don't know.

[MirkwoodArcher]

And what should we start with?

[ithilienranger732]

How are the forces of good going to work out? I believe that Himring was supposed to be the main faction for the Elves, but I'm not sure how having troops comprised mostly of hero-hordes would work out. Perhaps if it was Hithlum instead, we could have Fingolfin's troops supplemented by those of Dor-Lomin? Dorthonion, in my books, would be more of a stealth faction, suited to the snowy heights of Tar-nu-Fuin. As for Himring, they would be more of the knights in shining armor: relatively slow-moving for elves, but practically tanks in battle.

[Origin]

Elven tanks?
I didn't know those existed.
I'd rather have nimble, hard to hit elven tanks then easy to hit, high-health tanks. Suits them better, I think.

[ithilienranger732]

I said slow-moving for elves. They'd still be faster-moving than, say, Gondor Soldiers. Perhaps speed on par with Uruk-hai. But not slow at all, by any standards.

[Origin]

I got that.....I just mean they should have like high dodge and low health and armor, if that's feasible.

[MasterSilver]

So you guys are alive after all, I thought that Morgoth had taken you all to his dungeons in Angband. Ithillein I hope all is well, glad to see you are still here. Could we have an offical factions list for the first age.
Thanks,
Silver

[ithilienranger732]

I don't have the official factions list either.

And Origin, if you don't mind me asking, how does dodge get messed about with in this? They just get hit and randomly don't take any damage? Without animations, I don't think it makes much sense...

[Origin]

Why? Archers also only hit like 40% of the time. That's not animated. Against elves, 50% of sword attacks should fail, because they're fast enough to evade them. It makes perfect sense. Although I woulnd't mind an animation...

[ithilienranger732]

A little hop-skip backwards and a quick "nyah nyah"! :P

[Origin]

The hop would suffice. But seriously, why not? I think it'd be awsome!

[ithilienranger732]

How are we all doing? Are we ready for a good long discussion?

Good! I knew we were.

[MasterSilver]

lol, sure this a few months in coming... but yeah very ready for a good long discusion, not that it will help. Unless this mod experiences somewhat of a resurrection I would say it is on it's death bed if not dead already, but stranger things have happened.
Cheers,
Silver

[Rokqua Shadowkin]

It's not dead. Mordred at least is still working, and i'm working on a few more skirmish maps, mostly 1st age. But yeah, let's see what topic IRS brings in next.